Obama “Worse Than Bush”

[jah_yout]

if Decency or honour were not deemed as requisite by the selectors why should they decline ?

were they pretending to be anything other than they are ?

The selectors are illegitimate. ..
who gives them the power to deem what is in humanity's interest...
for me the nobel committee can only get fire...

And obama in some ways worse than bush but in some ways better...
not that it matters to the voting public..they both work for the same boss

[jah_yout]

they were hopeful at the time..it was early and he had not done anything yet. but dem cant take it back

What a joke...let's just give the USA the world cup medal in advance since we are hopeful they will earn it

[RichD]

What a joke...let's just give the USA the world cup medal in advance since we are hopeful they will earn it

you analogy needs some work ...

[jah_yout]

you analogy needs some work ...

Please explain why...how is my analogy different from Obama's peace prize win?
You will have to explain to me how war criminals are deserving of peace prizes

[RichD]

Please explain why...how is my analogy different from Obama's peace prize win?
You will have to explain to me how war criminals are deserving of peace prizes

In my view since the Nobel prize is a private organization they are free to give their awards to whoever they please. I have no say in how they make their decision. They do not pretend to be objective and unbiased.


the world cup is supposed to be a sporting competition the outcome is based not on judges or choice but rather on performance on a specific day(s) under prescribed circumstance guided by predefined rules. It presents itself as being free from any bias or manipulation.

[My Looh]

if Decency or honour were not deemed as requisite by the selectors why should they decline ?...

Because that is what decent honourable men would do.

[RichD]

Because that is what decent honourable men would do.

but you already established they they were neither decent or honourable so i am confused about your expectations of them to go against their nature.

or was this the event that earned them that categorization in your mind?

[My Looh]

but you already established they they were neither decent or honourable so i am confused about your expectations of them to go against their nature.

or was this the event that earned them that categorization in your mind?

They had a chance at redemption and to show that they are self aware or at least care that they are self aware but chose not to tek it.

[franksterr]

Nobel peace prize system is a joke... Neither declerk nor Obama should have received anything with the word peace on it

First we must ascertain the reasons for which they were given the prize.........


The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.
Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts. The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations. Thanks to Obama's initiative, the USA is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climatic challenges the world is confronting. Democracy and human rights are to be strengthened.
Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future. His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population.
For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world's leading spokesman. The Committee endorses Obama's appeal that "Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges."
Oslo, October 9, 2009
http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/press.html

[lonewolf]

What a joke...let's just give the USA the world cup medal in advance since we are hopeful they will earn it

Very well said, I agree.

And, let's face it. Obama received the award because he was the first black man elected leader of the supposed free world. It was symbolic jesture...that's all it was. If anything, the award should have been handed out to the citizens of the USA for electing him. The election of Obama was significant for a country with the history of the US. Prejudices were set aside and a majority white nation elected a person of color. Only in the USA. This is something completely foreign to european countries and for that matter Canada.

There are a lot of things wrong with the USA, but there are many things right.

Originally Posted by My Looh
If either of those men had a shred of decency or honour they would have politely declined accepting the prize.

Yep, I agree with that statement.

[jah_yout]

First we must ascertain the reasons for which they were given the prize.........


The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.
Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts. The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations. Thanks to Obama's initiative, the USA is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climatic challenges the world is confronting. Democracy and human rights are to be strengthened.
Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future. His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population.
For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world's leading spokesman. The Committee endorses Obama's appeal that "Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges."
Oslo, October 9, 2009
http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/press.html

To me this is jokes. ..
as far as I know people are usually given awards based on what they do not what they might do...
And I don't know how invading a sovereign nation (Libya) and murdering its leader after killing innocent civilians is peace...
or how signing the NDAA is peace...
or how maintaining the prison state which incarcerates black men at alarming rates is peace...
my peace and nobels peace are completely different things

[blugiant]

so did Mandela and Deklerk and host of others.....Noble invented dynamite which can be a tool or a weapon depending on how its used - Watson work can also be a tool or a weapon

mandela sold out ann imm disgraced immself by bowinn

[franksterr]

To me this is jokes. ..
as far as I know people are usually given awards based on what they do not what they might do...
And I don't know how invading a sovereign nation (Libya) and murdering its leader after killing innocent civilians is peace...
or how signing the NDAA is peace...
or how maintaining the prison state which incarcerates black men at alarming rates is peace...
my peace and nobels peace are completely different things

No joke......its politics.
To truly understand politics one must master the language of - DOUBLESPEAK.
Disinformation is used to misinform and create OFFICIAL INFORMATION - Propaganda.
Official information lets us seek peace....all the while knowing you cannot have true peace without information (the truth)

True Information lets us know that......
Peace is not the true goal of the oppressed, poor or small states - JUSTICE IS.
In other words what we need is a Justice prize Award......

Make no mistake ....Obama is a Politician
Politicians are not leaders......... but managers by consensus
politicians survive by exchanging favors and borrowing from Peter to appease Paul.

Obama is President of America, the interest of those who create opinion and issues in America comes First - US Interest.
If we should set the captives free in America then we must create the issues and shape the conversations around the issues thereby forming the opinions and giving Obama the consensus needed...... D. Roosevelt’s – “I agree with you. Now make me do it.”



"Now the Work of Movements Begins

President Obama is a former community organizer himself. What happens when the community organizer in chief becomes the commander in chief? Who does the community organizing then? Interestingly, he offered a suggestion when speaking at a small New Jersey campaign event when he was first running for president. Someone asked him what he would do about the Middle East. He answered with a story about the legendary 20th-century organizer A. Philip Randolph meeting with President Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Randolph described to FDR the condition of black people in America, the condition of working people. Reportedly, FDR listened intently, then replied: “I agree with everything you have said. Now, make me do it.” That was the message Obama repeated.
There you have it. Make him do it. You’ve got an invitation from the president himself

http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2012/11/8/now_the_work_of_movements_begins

Who said ..........“Democracy should be as much a system of participation as a method of representation.

[blugiant]

For the people of the Middle East, the American war never ended; it continued under the brutal, U.S.-backed jihadists who ravaged Syria, and have struck at Iraq with a vengeance. In the United States, George Bush gets the blame for the Iraq War while the First Black President reignites the region with his proxy wars and apocalyptic threats. “Imperialism is still on the move and now has a more shrewd personification in the person of Barack Obama.”

http://blackagendareport.com/content/freedom-rider-america%E2%80%99s-war-crime-iraq

[blugiant]

On Education, Barack Obama is the President of Privatization. Can We Stop Him? Will We?


By the time his term is over, President Obama and his Race To The Top program will have forced the closure and privatization of thousands of inner-city schools, a feat no white Republican or Democrat could have accomplished. But he'll only be president 4 more years. If we can stop this now, his successors won't be able to do this again. Can we? Will we?

On Education, Barack Obama is the President of Privatization. Can We Stop Him? Will We?

by BAR managing editor Bruce A. Dixon

Last year we asked why the announcement that the city of Philadelphia planned to close 40 more public schools over the next few months wasn't national news. This year, we could ask the same about Chicago, where officials have announced plans to close more than a hundred schools, or about Los Angeles, New York, Cleveland, Atlanta and dozens of other cities.

The national wave of school closings not national news because our nation's elite, from Wall Street and the hedge fund guys to the chambers of commerce and the business establishment, from corporate media and all the elite politicians of both parties from the president down to local mayors and state legislators are working diligently to privatize public education as quickly as possible. They're not stupid. They've done the polling and the focus groups. They know with dead certainty that the p-word is massively unpopular, and that parents, teachers, students and communities aren't clamoring to hand schools over to greedy profiteers.

On every level, the advocates of educational privatization strive to avoid using the p-word. They deliberately mislabel charter schools, just as unaccountable as every other private business in the land as “public charter schools,” because after all, they use public money. So do Boeing, Lockheed, General Dynamics, Bank of America and Goldman Sachs, but nobody calls these “public aerospace companies,” “public military contractors,” or “public banks.” For the same reason, corporate media refuse to cover the extent of the school closing epidemic, or local opposition to it, for fear of feeding the development of a popular movement against privatization, and Race To The Top, the Obama administration's signature public education initiative, and the sharp edge of the privatizers, literally driving the wave of school closings, teacher firings, and the adoption of “run-the-school-like-a-business” methods everywhere.

The privatizers know the clock is ticking. They know that no white Republican or Democrat could have successfully closed thousands of schools, mainly in the inner city and low-income neighborhoods without a tidal wave of noisy opposition. No white Republican or Democrat could have fired or replaced tens of thousands of experienced, mostly black qualified, experienced classroom teachers with younger, whiter, cheaper “graduates” of 5 week “teacher training” programs like Teach For America.

President Obama's black face, and the connivance of the black political class of which he is the reigning exemplar enables the implementation of right wing policies in the areas of war and peace, in growing the police and prison states, in shrinking the parts of the state that protect economic and civil rights, in guaranteeing Big Oil, Wall Street and other corporate malefactors continued immunity and impunity, in privatizing the Postal Service and of course public education. That's the bad news.

The good news is that Barack Obama will only be president less than four more years. If a noisy, contentious, civilly disobedient popular movement to protect public education can be brought into existence in the next year this president and our turncoat black political class can be stopped. The clock is ticking for us too.

The privatizers know that this is their chance to succeed. We must this is our best chance to stop them.

What can we do? What can you do?

If you live in one of the hundreds of jurisdictions that elect school board members in November 2013, now is the time to call your neighbors together and choose which one of you will be a candidate. School board elections are low impact, low budget, low attention and low turnout affairs, the most favorable electoral terrain for amateur and grassroots activists. In Georgia the Green Party will be calling together search and support committees to seek and support school board candidates who oppose privatization. So if you live in Georgia you can email me. My email is at the end of this article.

Join or start an organization of parents, teachers, students or all three in your neighborhood to halt the privatizations. Next week Black Agenda Report will have a resource page for school activists, from which you can read and download materials that will help you educate and inform your neighbors and co-workers on the issue of school privatization.

You can join the parents, students and teachers who are coming to DC the first week of April to Occupy the Department of Education. We'll have more information here at Black Agenda Report on that too.

The clock is ticking. Once we lose the public schools we won't get them back. And if we can stop the black President of Privatization from doing this to us, it should be easy to prevent the next white one from continuing this evil and destructive policy.

Bruce A. Dixon is managing editor at Black Agenda Report, and a member of the state committee of the Georgia Green Party. Contact him at bruce.dixon(at)blackagendareport, or via this site's contact form.

http://blackagendareport.com/content/education-barack-obama-president-privatization-can-we-stop-him-will-we